Magick Works, by Julian Vayne: a Response
Written by Duncan   
Monday, 05 January 2009

'Waving our hands and declaring the self to be an illusion', writes Julian Vayne in Magick Works, 'does not help us understand the self' (p.45). So I'd better defend my hand-waving and declarations, unless I come to be regarded as a 'Bloodless Adept'! (Julian's term for his interesting take on what constitutes a 'Black Brother'.)

Magick Works, by Julian Vayne

Suppose just for a moment the Buddha got it right and there's no self. Imagine it doesn't exist. It is nothing. An illusion. Does this mean we have to stop taking drugs and all find jobs as accountants? Course not! If there is no self then it's true already, regardless of how things seem. So the net impact on reality of our realising the truth of the proposition that there is no self would be – zero.

However, Julian prefers to insist: 'in all cases there does seem to be a self' (p.45). Personally, that's not my experience. The closer I've looked the less likely it seems – which is a relief, because if I thought there was a self then I'd be obliged to define it. Not that Julian doesn't shirk this task. He makes a decent stab at it, but his view relies in part on that interesting yet flaky book The Quantum Self, and an insistence upon the supposed 'peculiar quantum properties of neural tissue' (p.51).

If Julian asserts there is a self presumably it's because his experience suggests so. Yet there's a problem with defining something at the heart of experience in terms of something that cannot be experienced directly at all – i.e. quantum reality. This reminds me of when I was on retreat and our teacher, Mr. Goenka, assured us that the tingling sensations we experienced whilst practising vipassana meditation were a manifestation of a quantum-level phenomenon. I was skeptical that my physical sense organs, which are organised at the atomic level, could be capable of representing changes in the subatomic realm. My skepticism was confirmed when I made an experiment: I discovered that the tingling stopped if I held my breath. So either the tingling was an effect of oxygenation, or I was owed a big fat Nobel Prize for discovering my breath was the bridge between the atomic and subatomic realms.

Even good practising Buddhists like Mr Goenka are not immune from using quantum physics for talking bollocks. To be fair, Julian's model of the self rests on more than pop physics:

[W]hat are we left with? With a self that comes into being through interaction, that is rooted in the body but also exists as the context of interactions in a non-local field of consciousness... The self is an apparent property of this non-local consciousness when it is 'contained' within a specific identifiable body. It has an individual history but is predicated on its relationship with others. (p.53)

In short: the sense of self arises only in the context of an other that gives it shape. Without 'the other', there is no self. Personally, here's where I'd call off the search altogether, but Julian seems to believe there is something salvageable from this 'self', despite the way he has exposed it to be completely dependent on 'the other'.

His definition, above, is an interesting idea, but – again – is something we could never experience. Sure, you can have an idea of the self coming into being through interactions, but I could never experience myself as that, because the interactions of which my self would consist depend upon an other whose experience is not available to me. This model cannot therefore account for my sense of 'I am me'.

The self is not defined by an idea, because we have lots of ideas, but we don't mistake all our ideas for the self. By the same token the self cannot be a feeling either: examining the feelings that constitute our sense of self we discover nothing special about them. What makes a particular feeling 'me' or 'mine'? The answer seems to be that it is this very process itself by which we are constantly mistaking the other for 'me'.

In other words, the self is a mistake. The mental equivalent of an optical illusion. (The Buddhists call it ignorance.)

Magick Works is a wonderful collection of lectures, rituals and personal experiences, with a particular emphasis on the importance of entheogens in magical exploration. Julian's knowledge of entheogens and their uses is everywhere in evidence, and so too his eloquent sensitivity to the states of consciousness to which they provide access. Here, I think, lies the reason for his insistence on the notion of a self as a valid tool in magickal work.

Magick, for Julian, is 'the path of pleasure, freedom and power'. The Black Brother, on the other hand, is someone who resists the process of enlightenment, which entails a widening and dissolving of the ego into 'the other'. There are many who would agree with this, but Julian puts his own spin on the model:

Many 'Xepherites' [i.e. Black Brothers] don't smoke dope because drugs destabilize the boundaries of the ego. Ironically the most 'satanic' of modern occultists may also be some of the most sober! (p.48)

The Black Brother, then, resists ecstasy and pumps effort into maintaining a rigid ego boundary. Julian's view exposes excellently the futile efforts of the Black Brother. Imagine, spending your days shoring up the everyday sense of self. Wow. Those guys must lucid-dream all night of brilliant white light and radiant angels!

They are probably also part of the killjoy establishment, set on denying the rest of us the freedom to use drugs. The reason for this denial – argues Julian – is simple: 'they fear ecstasy' (p.146).

But – hang on. Alcohol produces ecstasy, yet the establishment sanctions it, despite the casualties piling up each weekend. And what about television? Doesn't that produce a trance-like ecstasy too? And so too computer games and other consumer gadgetry. Plus shopping. Plus advertising. And let's not forget everyone's favourite: mindless repetitive work. In fact, it soon becomes apparent that the establishment depends and thrives upon our elective use of ecstatic trance-states to facilitate its processes of production and consumption.

The establishment doesn't fear ecstasy; it depends upon us being dependent upon ecstasy. Although it's possible to mount an argument that these trances are not freely chosen or in our interest, if the meaning of ecstasy is to 'get out of ourselves' then that's obviously why we go shopping and watch The X Factor.

Now, if there were no self would ecstasy be possible? How could we 'get out of it' if there were no 'it' to get out of in the first place? This is the reason, I think, why Julian insists on a notion of self, because self is the other of ecstasy, and the absence of one appears to threaten the existence of both.

Julian describes the attainment of the grade of Ipsissimus as 'the peak experience of magick... we might imagine it as a series of ecstatic moments' (p.53). Enlightenment, however, is not a state – ecstatic or otherwise – but a form of understanding. So please don't mistake me for a Black Brother or killjoy Bloodless Adept! Entheogens are sweet; so is booze, The X Factor and barbecue-flavoured Pringles. But the states they evoke lead to something sweeter still, when apprehended as experiences in the service of understanding.

If we want to get up the nose of the establishment, I'm not sure how we should proceed. The establishment is formed of mindless dependencies. It's like a drug-pusher or a junkie: what it can't use it most likely doesn't even perceive. But if we can see through the illusion of self then we are foreclosing on our dependency on socially-sanctioned ecstasies. Provided we don't merely substitute these for non-sanctioned types, this means the-powers-that-be simply can't use us any more. Yet most likely we simply drop out of sight, rather than attaining some kind of Che Guevara moment.

The assumption of a self can lead to the view that there are types of experience that bolster that self, in opposition to other experiences offering ecstasy. From this position it may seem 'the path of pleasure, freedom and power' lies in swapping the one set of experiences for the other.

An alternative, however, lies in abandoning the notion of self. The Ipsissimus then takes on the significance not of someone who has found a way to 'get out of it' permanently, but has instead reached the full understanding that there's nothing to overthrow.

References

Julian Vayne, Magick Works: Stories of Occultism in Theory and Practice (Oxford: Mandrake, 2008).

Dana Zohar, The Quantum Self (New York: Quill/William Morrow, 1990).

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What it sounds like is that this character doesn't understand no-self. I mean we all have a 'self' in a sense--you have a physical body, an astral body, a personality, i tend to think transmigration or transubstantiation of ego is possible if a long shot, etc., etc., but that doesn't have much to do with no-self. No-self realizatiions don't wipe your personality any more than they stop your heart. I'd imagine they don't have a huge impact on the subtle bodies, either.

anyway the majority of crap about 'magick' isn't worth reading, but we all knew that already

Posted by laboratorian, whose homepage is here on 01/06/2009 at 03:33

And of course the realisation of no-self can be ecstatic in a sense, when the burdon of the self with all its troubles falls away for a time. Not that we could ever deny having a personality, relationships, responsibilities, etc, but I cannot see that these things are 'me' in any way.

Posted by Mike, on 01/06/2009 at 13:56

Julian's books are unusually readable and engaging as books on magick (or 'majik') go. He generally sticks to his experiences, which are very engaging and full of ideas. I agree that most books on magic are a waste of time, though. It was Christopher Penczak's *City Magick* that made me throw up my hands in despair and vow 'never again'. Mr Vayne is in a different league from that, however...

Posted by Duncan, on 01/06/2009 at 15:12

Hi Folks

Some interesting points Duncan (there is, I assume, a self know as Duncan? ;-) after reading your response I went back and re-read this essay in Magick Works and I stand by it (at the moment). Remember it's an essay, in the sense of 'an attempt'. I don't claim to know The Answer but rather am interested in exploration.

Although as rightly pointed out my argument does not rest on Zohars work I think, in her defence, and for those who are unfamiliar with her writing, I should point out that she studied Physics and Philosophy at MIT, did her postgraduate work in Philosophy, Religion & Psychology at Harvard University, and may even know a thing or two.

Sure when you look at something closely (like 'the self') it disappears but this isn't surprising. Solidity as a quality of matter disappears when looked at closely or over long periods of time. The unitary nature of our bodies looks very iffy when we consider that we can be imagined just as easily as colony organisms. However my point is, at the human scale of day-to-day interactions, we have a 'self'; exploring what that is (rather than simply declaring it to be ignorance/illusion) is what interests me.

As to the matter of the relationship of ecstasy and the self perhaps it the old subject/object process? That relationship seems imbedded in all spoken language and therefore the underlying structure of thought (see for example Steven Pinkers work). Maybe the self is one of the poles that permits ecstatic states to arise? We become ourselves and transcend ourselves. It is the flexibility of self that some cultures fear. Self, my essay in Magick Works explains, is something fluid and it is that fluidity that often causes problems (especially where that fluidity conflicts with social taboos and norms).

I'm quite happy not to abandon such an interesting experience as 'the self' (at least not until I die, and maybe even not then). Instead I'd rather discover what relationship this construct has to other bits of reality both inner and outer. As someone who is perhaps closer to a Thelemic rather than Buddhist perspective I'm keen to rejoice in, explore and experiment with the cognitive structures I appear to have rather than lopping them off. Of course it’s also fun to experience things that might be considered void or no-self states (Magick Works has an account of the tantric use of ketamine which is very much about those states). I’d respectfully suggest having a look at my book Pharmakon; Drugs and the Imagination for more about the self/no-self interactions. In that work I explore the ‘shamanic return’ – ie what happens when we ‘come down’ from the timeless ineffable realm, back into the apparent work, and how this is linked to learning and the process of the self.

Perhaps the most interesting models these days come from the multiple selves standpoint which admit there is not an adamantine unity to our mental processes but equally doesn’t deny there is a selfhood to which we all tacitly lay claim. Personally I’d rather get my hints on how the mind works from fMRI explorations etc. Siddhrtha, may also have known a thing or two, but was working only with introspection and was just as likely to be led astray by his own illusions.

I hope you enjoyed the other essays as well. Keep up the Great Work J

Jx

Posted by Julian, on 01/09/2009 at 11:43

Julian, the Theraveda Buddhist model is not particularly good with the intermediary between the absolute and the relative, and I believe the 'self' you describe is somewhere in between. There are at least two discrete states--the 'natural state of mind', and the 'storehouse of consciousness', both of which I have little if any direct experience, but being that the texts have been right about many other things, i'll trust them on those--that suggest something about the self and have been the subject of debate for a long, long time.

no-self is simply 'experience' that when taking any object, and seeing it as empty, and coming back around the track to the subject, it becomes clear the subject has the same absolute properties as the object. the self can't be a fixed thing since there is no fixed thing.

it is like doing ritual and experiencing some progress of wisdom while doing a ritual for a relative, stated or planned purpose. No-self and emptiness (or impermanance or suffering) don't wipe out what the self was doing or even what happens with the relative observer--though they do function as something of a background that is useful to be able to tune into. It is like tuning a radio while being aware of your feet.

and a final comment, if you 'come down from a timeless, ineffable realm' then it by definition isn't timeless or even ineffable. Rarefied, maybe, but timeless, no. Still relative, and that confusion can lead to confusing the powers, the states and the realms with wisdom.

Posted by Laboratorian, whose homepage is here on 01/09/2009 at 12:56

that shouldn't be 'natural state of mind' but 'being-bliss', i.e., taking subject as object.

Posted by Laboratorian, on 01/09/2009 at 13:54

If anyone would like to add to this discussion, I've made us a thread in the discussion forum so we've got some space to go for it, with a recap of the main points so far...

Posted by Duncan, on 01/09/2009 at 15:33

experiencing truth experiencing truth experiencing---growing, developing. Fuck attempting descriptions of experiencing in such lang-gauge. Language is death inof led 'self', humans need direct experiencing truth sans these terms and intellectional fuck festivals meaning 'End language through practice of direct ecstatic experiencing...'

Posted by balmexrut, whose homepage is here on 04/15/2010 at 13:21

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